Tuesday, February 08, 2005

Defend Ward Churchill Against the Enemies of Liberty

Cockburn on the levels of thinkable thought.

6 comments:

Anonymous said...

I saw Ward Churchill speak at UWM a couple of months ago (and hung out with him and some others at a potluck afterward). I think he's an arrogant asshole. He treated legitimate questions from audience members with ridiculous pomposity and he made all sorts of nebulous comments implying that we're all supposed to go out and commit violent acts until the world has changed. What kind of violence? Doesn't matter. And we're supposed to dismantle the entity that is the United States of America. Snap our fingers and it's done. His ideas sound like those of a revolutionary with a 3rd grade education.

Anonymous said...

forgot i need to let the blog know who i am. that comment is from me, mtf.

Fons said...

The assholishness factor is not really the point. The point is whether he should be able to speak at any venue. He should, it's his right. Fox and O'Reilly and other reactionaries have a theory that most US University's are indoctrination centers for radical left ideas, it just ain't so. They use an inflammatory statement by a loose canon to "prove" their propoganda.
They dominate the terms of the debate because they define the parameters of thinkable thought. It has gotten so bad that people like Kerry are defined as radical left. Ward Churchill says things like, 9/11 happened because the US has pursued policies around the world that piss people off, the Pentagon was a legitamite target. Instead of debating these issues they ban him. This is a censorship fight not a fight over the way WC say's things.
On the violence issue: It always amazes me how if someone opposed to imperialism advocates violence they are a dangerous terrorist but when Kerry advocates more troops in Iraq, or Clinton bombs civilian targets in Sudan, or Colin Powell calls for the invasion of a country that is of no threat to the US, they are called statesman.
Cockburn is right, you can talk about physically silenceing someone if you are on the "right" side of the issue of the day, Oceana is now our enemy, but if not shut up and we will fire you. They define the debate this way.

Anonymous said...

I didn't mean to imply that I think Churchill should be silenced. I of course think exactly the opposite. With him being in the news, I was merely reminded of the time I had seen him speak, and his "assholishness" was definitely a factor there.

It's true that I don't necessarily support the type of violence that Churchill is advocating. But that doesn't make it safe to assume that I do support the violent actions taken by the US abroad. On most levels, I don't support either. I suppose the problem is, as frustrating as it may be to some, one happens consistently right now (US action abroad) and one is barely a blip on the radar (revolutionary action in the US).

If Churchill wants us to take (violent?) action... if revolting against a system that we see as unjust is our moral imperative, then he's gonna have to do better than "whatever it takes" as far as I'm concerned. "Whatever it takes" results in nobody doing anything of substance. People my age who are interested in debating and thinking about these kinds of ideas have no idea what it mean to "dismantle the entity that is the United States of America". Nobody knows what the hell that means. This is some David and Goliath shit, and a couple of pissed off college students aren't going to be able to accomplish a fucking thing running around doing "whatever it takes".

Anonymous said...

me again: mtf.

Fons said...

I was not assuming the endorsement of US violence just trying to make the point of inconsistency in the US, US violence good, any other, terror.

I actually think individual acts of terrorism are almost always counterproductive and kill the innocent. Like the Algerian resistance fighter, yes we have all watched Battle of Algiers lately, said after he was captured in response to the journalist that asked him why they were using small bombs and picking soft targets, I paraphrase, if you give us tanks and bombers we will use them against the French.

Ward Churchill should be able to say what ever he wants. If the university and schools don't uphold freedom of people to say whatever they want, who will?